(Some couples' counselors do this. So he's a very articulate man. And you write: The physical violence that occurred between them appeared to me to be mutual. You never actually witnessed any physical violence by Mr. Depp or by Ms. Heard, correct?Dr Anderson (56:48), And you said that They were each victims of domestic violence, both in their family. And she gave as good as she got. Interestingly, during this same period of time, I am working on writing a book chapterwith tips for therapists who work withabused men. It isn't the entire transcript of her testimony as I took out the parts that were going over the schedule of appointments and other relatively minor topics of that nature. Ambertakes the conversation off in another direction (as an abuser would) and the topic of physical abuse never seems to come up in joint sessions again. Why is it So Hard To Recognize Abuse OF Men BY Women as a Problem? Sheryl Monaughan 46 reviews # 2 of 1320. And it's just that they're fighting and she has a hard time. BUT domestic violence was discussed in Amber's individual intake session. . She started violence. So I took everything I thought and believed conceptually about them. And she gave as good as she got. And I want to ask you about that one paragraph. Dr. Anderson: Each threatened [to walk out] and stood up. The session notes are completely redacted so it seems there was nothing about DV discussed. There is no evidence that the topic of DV comes up in theindividual intake session that Dr Anderson had with Johnny alone. She can't let him talk -- is my recollection. As you already pointed out, I really cannot understand how Dr. Anderson came to the mutual abuse conclusion when she mostly got Ms. Heards version of things. Ms. And I pointed out the process to her at some point, and she got it that no one could actually have a decent dialogue with her if she was rapid firing and talking over and just barraging. Correct? She knew that what they were doing wasn't healthy. And when left alone to speak, he can describe intelligently what's going on. He had been doing a lot of he was fucked up, as she would say, on a lot of drugs. I'm notpresenting this as a perfect transcription, but I did check it for mistakes. Depp, 58, is suing the 35-year-old Aquaman star for $50 million for defamation over a 2018 op-ed she wrote about being the survivor of sexual and physical abuse. Additionally, she offered some impressions of the couple's relationship and behaviors. "Male aggression toward females produced higher ratings of aggressiveness and more negative evaluations of perpetrators than female aggression toward males.". Nothing in that next session. From Dr Anderson's perspective, these individual sessions were part of the couple's counseling: "whether I talked to them or saw them individually or as a couple, it was all in service of couples therapy.". And this is what she reported to you, correct? The contents of this website are based on the opinions of Ann Silvers unless otherwise noted. The attorneys ask Dr Anderson quite a lot questions about the bruises that she saw. In the event of a medical emergency, dial 911 or visit your closest emergency room immediately. she came in --- she talked to me by phone, and then came in the next day. Sept 2015 Introduction and Appointment Request. After Johnny and Amber's 1st joint session, each of them meet with Dr Anderson alone within the following week. "if he was going to leave her to deescalate from the fight, she would strike him to keep him there". His mother had just died on the 20th.. 2005-2023 Healthline Media a Red Ventures Company. Disclaimer: School attendance zone boundaries are supplied by Pitney Bowes and are subject to change. And that one paragraph is still there.". (More on the details later.). I don't know what to think of the statement. Healthline Media does not provide medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. It was also at this time that she showed me photos of her injuries. She reported trying to initiate a fight with him one night by slapping him when she was offended by what he said."Question (54:37), Then in the last sentence: It was also at this time that she showed me photos of her injuries. When did Miss Heard show you photos of her alleged injuries?Dr Anderson (54:54), Well, to the best of my pulling together the information I wrote down, I'm saying it was right after that fight. And I want to ask you about that one paragraph. Another thing that infuriates me is her way of giving testimony of things she cant be sure of, because she never heard both sides/ didnt seem to look further into the DV claims. That's not my language.Cross Examination Question (01:00:45), Turn to page 13 where it says was chaotic, violent. Do you know what Mr. Depp was referring to there?Dr Anderson (01:01:04). I don't think she denied it, but what I believe from my notes was that she galloped off in a new direction and they continued to talk, and there was no more that Johnny Depp was going to say about what he was reporting. During the deposition, both parties had a chance to question the psychologist. AndI think he may have initiated it on occasions, too, that I'm less sure on.. She hits back and now starts it for pride because father hit her. Would you please tell us what you meant by that?. Dr. Laurel Anderson. Dr. Laurel Anderson, a clinical psychologist based in Los. April 14, 2022, 7:48 PM Johnny Depp and Amber Heard were both violent, according to the former couple's marriage therapist. This is her reporting to me. Internal Medicine . Jessica is related to Daniel Ralda and Natalie Atenaida Balda as well as 3 additional people. Nothing in that next session. While a diagnosis of Amber was not presentedby Dr Anderson duringJohnny'sdefamation trial in the US, Johnny madethe claim during the UK libel trial against the Sun newspaper that Dr Anderson said thatAmberhas BPD and other personality issues. But even in her own stories, Amber is often the aggressor.). (It would not be unusual for a DV victim to initially turn attention away from publicly shaming their partner and then tell the truth later. This was her talking out loud, trying to strategize for herself., She reported always hitting him back as a point of pride, but admitted that she eventually initiated the hitting herself., She reported trying to initiate a fight with him one night by slapping him when she was offended by what he said.". Dr Andersonhad a mixture of sessions that were one-on-one and with both JD and AH present, but they were described by her as all focused on couples' therapy. That's not my language., Turn to page 13 where it says was chaotic, violent. Do you know what Mr. Depp was referring to there?. My notes are jumbly. Or at least I thought somewhere around the time she got the injuries. "Question (40:34), "Did she tell you that he had hit her first, or was she the one who initiated the slap? No discussion of session content during the trial. As a therapist and author of several books about partner abuse I've been following this case for a couple of years and was particularly interested in taking a detailed look at this testimony. Maybe that happened and we just don't know, but there's no evidence that it happened. Find a doctor near you. #JohnnyDepp #AmberHeard @LawCrimeNetwork. ", "She initiated that one because I think she felt demeaned and threatened." Amber emailed Dr Anderson on Sept 27, 2015: Hi, Laurel. --Hines, D. A., & Douglas, E. M. (in press). Why she didnt ask for more single sessions with Mr. Depp to safely get his version of their fights? Johnnymay never have known that Amber was telling Dr Anderson anything about DV until after their therapy was over and he received the information from other sources. 310-206-3551. The third step is I show my hand, I talk about it. They're confusing, as you've seen or you haven't seen, actually. All Rights Reserved. He had been doing a lot of, he was fucked up, as she would say, on a lot of drugs. He's complaining, but he's also just kind of describing what the relationship was. Thank you! In my experience therapists who didnt keep up to date with specialisation in cluster B patients & rarely work with them can be rather well, not up to date and not practiced with us to put it mildly. Then last night, Monday, she slapped him as he sat there talking incoherently. I'll include the testimony pertaining to this reported statement below. I don't think she denied it, but what I believe from my notes was that she galloped off in a new direction, Did she interrupt him during your other sessions. No closed fist. Anderson Laurel, PhD has 5 stars. Therapists and others need to ask themselves whether Johnny's accusation of"being hit in the jaw"didn't get more in-session attention because the accusation came from a man. "He was not on the call when she made these allegations, was he? And he's trying to come to terms with it, and he still loves her and is mourning. "It's a treatment summary. (I might be ignorant here, Ive never been to couples counselling, but it really strikes me as odd that she saw Ms. Heard significantly more often in solo appointments than she saw Mr. 13. I know she led on more than one occasion and started it to keep him with her because abandonment and having him leave was her worst nightmare. I think I'm quoting some of this is just my typing of the words he's using while he's talking. He had been well controlled, I think, for almost, I don't know, 20/30 years, and both were victims of abuse in their homes, but I thought he had been well controlled for decades. Im wondering if Dr. Anderson knew about the apparent diagnosis or diagnosed it herself during the time she worked with Ms. Heard, because if either of that is the case Im left wondering why she believed Ms. Heards versions without seemingly double checking? Not from me., Cross-Examination on these points re bruises, A few minutes ago, you briefly spoke about seeing bruises about an inch on Amber heard space. The jury views video deposition from Candie Davidson-Goldronn of Children's Hospital of Los Angeles. The recording includes many admissions of violence by Amber and demonstrates her abusive tone, attitude, and manipulations. Any underlining that appears in the transcript excerpts is added by me to draw attention to that portion. It is unclear to me whether Dr Andersonexcuses Amber's behavior oris notingreasons for Amber's behavioras areas of focus for therapy. However, since anything that wasnt about DV was redacted its difficult to say for sure what she mightve (imo) neglected, so some things can only be speculated. In these individual sessions, Amber is free to portray what's going on in the relationship without Johnny questioning that portrayal. Huge fight. Note that Amber's parallel intake session was discussed as it had DV-related content. "Question, "And the him whom she threw acan at. Extreme fear of abandonment and becoming abusive whenthat fear is triggered is very typical of people with BPD. Dr. Laurel Anderson is PH.D. in Clinical Psychology and her NPI number (Unique professional ID assigned by NPPES) is 1053464016. That Amber emailed Dr Anderson about an appointment on Sept 27, 2015is interesting in that we have a recorded 2-hour conversation between Johnny and Amber from the day before. And she says that she hits back and now she starts it and sometimes hits him first, about 6 months prior to the start of couple's counseling. And the goal was to try and get through the Christmas holiday without fighting. Dr. Laurel Anderson, a clinical psychologist based in Los. It is a common justification for domestic violence and other violence. I know she came in in person to show me.Question (55:24), Did she show you photos or did she show you both? Here are some of the most famous excerpts from the Sept 26, 2015 conversation: I wanted to knowmore about this conversation than just the highlights so I transcribed the entire 2 hours. Dr Anderson (28:08)The first line is Ms. Heard talking, saying that Mr. Depp says to her: No one likes you. I was pretty aware of what he meant. No closed fist. Its great to hear from another therapist who understands that women sometimes abuse men and that it is worthy of attention and concern. Something else that concerns me about the possibility that Amber wastelling Dr Anderson stories about physical abuse in sessions when Johnny was absent, but those stories weren't mentioned in joint couple's appointments: Johnnycouldhave had the impression that stories of their physically violent encounters weren't part of their marriage counseling. Third Party materials included herein protected under copyright law. When the other person responds to a physical assault, is it in self-defense or is it retaliatory? Did she deny it? And my recollection is she came in --- she talked to me by phone, and then came in the next day. She bites the bait. She is defending herself by heaping on additional defamation. And yet it had escalated to this point. From Dr Anderson's testimony related to a phone session with Amber on Dec 15, 2015: [Reading from the session notes.] Our website services, content, and products are for informational purposes only. Are they makeup? And I just want to focus on the one snippet on base, page three. Johnny at first told the hospital that he cut his finger off by accident. What's the reason for your visit? Click here for the video recording of Dr Anderson's Johnny v Amber Day 3 defamation trial testimony. Phone. Copyright 2023 Healthgrades Marketplace, LLC, Patent US Nos. I don't remember that well.Question(59:06), Is that, Dr. Anderson, consistent with your understanding that there were no other entries on December 15 or December 17 relating to physical abuse?Dr Anderson (59:20), There was nothing about physical abuse. (458) 232-4831 About Laurel E Anderson is a Clinical Social Work/Therapist , LCSW, and is based out of Eugene, Oregon, United States. Dr Anderson appears to have a policy of meeting with each member of a couple separately for an intake session in order to provide an opportunity for each to speak freely about things they may fear bringing up in front of their partner. And that one paragraph is still there. AndI think he may have initiated it on occasions, too, that I'm less sure on.. He's complaining, but he's also just kind of describing what the relationship was. 9911 W Pico Blvd Ste 1070 Los Angeles, CA 90035 (310) 826-9576 . When Mr. Depp told you that Amber hit him in the jaw, did Amber respond in any way? She doesn't go to see her for a session. "Question (41:45)"Then you write doesn't want to divorce. Languages English Education Medical Board Certifications Geriatric Medicine, American Board of Internal Medicine, 2005. Early in her recorded testimony, Dr Anderson described this session as being for "background intake"(03:25). -Ann. Was Mr. Depp correct? 10-Depp v. Heard: Gina Deuters. And if she's triggered, she would hit him first.Question (33:34), When you said that she sometimes hits Johnny first because of pride, what did you mean?Dr Anderson (33:42), She was sensitive to feeling disrespected and a number of other things. I'm talking. Hamelsays that a key part of designating abuse as mutualis that both partners must behave abusively toward the other to the same degree. Two things. You said she showed you photos. . All rights reserved. Dr. Richard Gilbert. Dr. Anderson says Heard and Depp did not visit together on their first session. Do you know did Mr. Depp talk about his fingertip with you before June 18, 2016?, Click here for the video recording of Dr Anderson's Johnny v Amber Day 3 defamation trial testimony. The content is something I make notes on, I care about. 2. The way that this practice played out for this couple provides an example of how it can backfire.). There does not seem to be session notes to back up her summary regarding seeing Amber's bruises and pictures of bruising. "Dr Anderson (52:02), "It's a treatment summary. She threw can at him since home fighting. Amber does not appear to follow-up on it at that time. And he tried to deescalate far more than I think she did.Question (01:02:58), Do you know did Mr. Depp talk about his fingertip with you before June 18, 2016?Dr Anderson (01:03:06), No, because I would have written it when he first mentioned it to me.Question (01:03:10), Did you ever see Mr. Depp with an injury to his finger during any of your sessions with Mr. Depp or that counseling sessions together with Amber?Dr Anderson, During that session, yes. Dr. Laurel Anderson is a Los Angeles, California based psychologist who is specialized in Clinical Psychology. "Dr Anderson (20:26). It was more that they started into a fight, and I wrote that their process is a back and forth firing at each other., It is possible that Dr Anderson tried to return to the topic of Johnny's physical abuse accusation but Johnny was resistant after the haranguing response from Amber to his first attempt at the topic. And I think he talked about how chaotic it was, how violent it was. The content on Healthgrades does not provide medical advice. They don't say a lot. Johnny's severed fingerrequired surgery and became life-threatening when he contracted MRSA. Maybe Im being ignorant again, but wouldnt it be more truthful to say regarding physical violence, Ms. Heard reported in our session that I have not heard Mr. Depps recounting of these fights, therefore I cannot confirm the truthfulness of her statements during our solo sessions/I can only guess the truthfulness.? "Dr Anderson(01:03:46). 11-Depp v. Heard: Dr. David Kipper. Jan 13, 2016 -- This session was discussed during testimony. I noticed that some people on Twitter were confused because the DV community says there is no such thing as mutual abuse. And if she felt disrespected, she had come out of her background history, feeling that her pride needed to dominate and she needed to stand up for herself.Question(34:05), "When Ms. Heard told you that Johnny Depp hits her or slaps her, Johnny Depp was not present, correct? 4 in-person or phone sessions with Amber: Oct 6, 2015 -- Amber's intake session. ), Is Dr Andersonexaggerating Johnny's abuses and minimizing Amber's. This content is not available in your current region. Want to want to divorce? Fax. Superior Court Judge Stanley M. Weisberg sentenced Lyle Menendez, now 28, and Erik Menendez, 26, to life in prison. Good to hear that you appreciate the post. Apr 14. It says, should she call police? What is that referred to? he only basis you had with respect to the cause of the injuries was what Ms. Heard told you, correct? Use of this website and any information contained herein is governed by the Healthgrades User Agreement. As someone who was diagnosed with BPD years ago, has tried several therapists due to that diagnosis & worked through some of it in specialised inpatient care & therapy with other cluster B patients Im left to wonder how qualified Dr. Anderson was to work with Ms. Heard? On the other hand, it is also reasonable to think that Johnny's accusation should have led Dr Anderson to ask lots of follow-up questionsso she could assess what, if any, physical violence is present in this couple and the physical safety of both parties. Thismeeting was not included in the list of sessions but is discussed in the testimony excerpts below. Her current practice location is 9911 W Pico Blvd, 1070, Los Angeles. You were seeing multiple bruises on Amber's face when you were talking about how the size of it your fingers were under your eyes. Did they come from Johnny hitting her after she hit him? It leads me from session to session, but I'm really looking at process, what's going on between two people or what's actually going on inside of someone. Philadelphia 76ers Premier League UFC. Heard had a jack hammer style of talking. Dr. Laurel Anderson is a Psychologist - Clinical based out of Los Angeles, California and her medical specialization is Psychologist - Clinical.She practices in Los Angeles, California and has the professional credentials of PH.D..The NPI Number for Dr. Laurel Anderson is 1053464016 and she holds a License No. I have worked with so many Psychologists and the activism over professionalism is real. She is sure that Amber initiated physical violence against Johnny "on more than one occasion" but isn't sure that Johnnyeverinitiated it. In the Sept 26, 2015 recording, it is evident that Johnny fled the penthouse apartment the night before because Amber had hit him. 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